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Liza Debevec's avatar

I only just discovered this article, so am about 1,5 years late reading it and I am not French, nor have I lived in France, but have traveled there regularly and have many French friends who often complain about the system and also recognise the benefits of it. As a European, I would argue there is a number of things that the social charges contribute to and that you don't have in the US- 5 weeks of paid leave (I think in a weird way, Saturday is considered 'un jour ouvrable', so 30 days leave gives you 5 weeks (5x6).) In addition, you have paid sick leave (not sure about the number of days, and I do think the salary on those days is not 100% but maybe 90% or 80% ).

Also, in France, if you have a CDI, it is extremely difficult to get fired. Now as you say, there is a lot of stuff that happens outside this system as you say, people have undeclared cleaning staff, nannies etc and private business do things off the record which means their staff is not protected by the law but may get more 'cash' so there is instant gratification but not necessarily long term benefits.

I would take European social security systems over the American ones any day. I have American friends who would love to quit their job and do sth else, but stay because of the high salary and whatever health plan their fancy job offers- they are worried about how they will pay for that if they quit- so they are slaves of their jobs.

Sorry, this is a messy comment, but my point is, I think there are more benefits to European ways than the American ones.

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Diana Strinati Baur's avatar

Here in Germany, we have a model which combines private options, government-subsidized health care and socialized elements. It has its upsides and downsides like all models. But in the end all of these European systems cost money, a fact that's easily forgotten in sound bites on American media about "socialized medicine".

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